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Jasmine in ones own courtyard never smells.Even we have to quote names of some devoted Westerners as followers of our rich Sanathana Dharma to draw attention of our
people.More and more young people are becoming staunch believers which is a healthy sign,
people.More and more young people are becoming staunch believers which is a healthy sign,
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Dear Sri Sivarama,
Your query is intriguing!
It is not that some one should tell you the significance of chanting.
You should experience it to know better.
Learn the stotras, chant regularly and feel the difference!!
Regards
Your query is intriguing!
It is not that some one should tell you the significance of chanting.
You should experience it to know better.
Learn the stotras, chant regularly and feel the difference!!
Regards
| 9:26 AM (11 hours ago) | | ||
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Namaste all,
Please see
http://www.krishnamurthys.com/
That will explain why reciting God's names is useful and important.
With regards,
Please see
http://www.krishnamurthys.com/
That will explain why reciting God's names is useful and important.
With regards,
| 10:38 AM (10 hours ago) | | ||
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Dear Sir,
Good Morning, Please forgive me if am wrong.
As am not a spiritual scholar as you all are.
Sir Learning Stotras, Chanting & experiencing the difference is
the right way of enjoying spirituality through Bhakthi..
But now a days most of the people pray god not with bhakthi.
But due to fear for the sin they have made, fear of their future so on..... ( Ok this topic takes different direction . let me continue with subject)
There are people who chant mantras day and night but without knowing what they chant for what they are chanting. When it has to be chant so on.
It's happening so because they dont know the importance & significance of those stotraas.
For eg....
Many of us go through Maga Puranaa after maga snaana.
In month of Maga maasa.
Similarly Karthikaa purana in month of karthika masa.
If we go through Karthika purana in Maga masa their is nothing worng in it.
But Maga snaana & Maga purana has got its own significance in that particular month.
So I conclude that Knowing significance & importance is always very much important & useful as it drives people through right channel towards right direction.
Om Sai Raam
Narendra
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Dear Narendra, Namaskaram I am ganesh and I was having same doubt like what u hv. But after read somany books and listen lectures from so many achariyas , swamys and Sai babas, the following are conclusion:- 1. To chant - god's name ( any name ie may be Rama, krishna , Muruga erc), there is no bar for time. It means any time we can keep on chanting like during sleep , while bathing, while eating, while waiting for bus, train and plane. Chanting god's can be like breath. 2. To chant - Mandras / Thiyana - for best result after bath- braham mukurtha ( ie, 4 to 6 am) and after that before 12 pm also we can do and evening from 5 to 7.30 pm or 8 pm . But our mind can calm during the brahma mukthra time only. But we hv to do mandras infront of god in our house or temples. In Kuliyuga chanting gods name / bagavath nama sakerthanam is best option to come out of our any problem and reach god's feet. Saibaba has told me to keep on chant " HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE . HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE" I am following this and PANDU vitale is appearing in my dream and one time has taken me KAILASAM aslo and I hv seen lord Parameswara and lord parvathi there. This is wonderful experience. I hv got this opportunity through chanting bagawan nama only. Thanks & B/regs/G.Ganesh 3.
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"Yentharo Mahanubhavulu, Anthariki Vandanamu".
I am really astonished to see the flow of divine knowledge from this group members. This group is really performing a miracle
of sharing the divine knowledge in this materialistic world. I am doing a little bit of research on South East Asian Hindu Temples
and the real history behind their construction. I will update it on my blog http://www.easythailand.
Best,
Sridharan Srinivasaraghavan
I am really astonished to see the flow of divine knowledge from this group members. This group is really performing a miracle
of sharing the divine knowledge in this materialistic world. I am doing a little bit of research on South East Asian Hindu Temples
and the real history behind their construction. I will update it on my blog http://www.easythailand.
Best,
Sridharan Srinivasaraghavan
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Sri
Narayana
Please do let me put in a few sentence here…..well have you read the bagavatam there you can see what happen to AJAMILA.You may one to read it.
Firstly I feel that it is good for the devotee to chant the stotras although they might not know the significance but gradually due to paramatma reside in you so sooner or later he will guide you to a spiritual master maybe in this birth or another.
In bagavad geetha Krishna says that there a few types of people pray to him…people in distress etc…so by fearing to god of their sins is a good sign at least they have realize that they have done a mistake.
For kind information bhakti is not so easy as you think…it is like walking on a razor blade…if you fall down you may get hurt bad so that’s is why it is said in geetha
sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
SYNONYMS
TRANSLATION
Hope this help to explain….
Adiyen
dasan
From: sathvishayam@googlegroups.com [mailto:sathvishayam@
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 8:53 PM
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Subject: Re: namskaram
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 8:53 PM
To: ganapathig@yahoo.co.in
Cc: tkr@bheltry.co.in; naren.chinni@gmail.com; sivaramaaa@gmail.com; Ramesh Kn; sathvishayam@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: namskaram
"Yentharo Mahanubhavulu, Anthariki Vandanamu".
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My name is Sankar and I am fortunate to born in the family of Sri. G Ramachandra Iyer (Sri Ramananda Saraswathi Swaminah) and his son Sri. R Krishnaswamy Iyer (Sri. Gnanananda Bharathi Swaminah).
I have been told by elders and our Veda Guru that chanting vedas or slokas will not make one Punnia Athama unless he performs Nithya Anushtanams like, trikala Sandhyavandanam, Brhamayagnam, etc. Not doing our nithya anushtanams is a great sin and will neutralize all good deeds we do, they say. Hence, I request the group, for those who is not doing so far, to allocate some time for nithya anushtanams.
With namaskarams!
Sri Sivarama Sir,
lets say you have a 6 month old grandchild...how do you talk to the child? you blabber sounds, make funny faces, and make all types of clicking,clucking and other noises from your mouth using your tongue, lips etc. ......the ultimate aim being to make the innocent creature smile and be blissful and accept you as someone trustworthy. If you start talking as you talking to an adult then the child will frown at your blankly and maybe start crying.
the point is : you do not question the language /inner meanings of communication in spiritual matters.......you have to have the end purpose in mind. Mantras also have been intuited (not taught) by the Seers and are generally in Sanskrit (which incidentally is called devabhasha i.e. bhasha understood by the devas). So as a twice born, if its feasible, you do in the language they comprehend. The other important purpose is being formulated in Sanskrit there is a sane logic. No other language is structured to consider every part of the mouth,tongue, lips and vocal chords and inner physiology, inner Physiognomy. It benefits both the listener and the reciting person. This writer knows of cases of certain categories of spastics and stammering people that have been rectified by chanting of certain mantras with specific intonations and swaras. The most significant advantage is that the words are strung in a particular manner such that there is a vibration created inside the reciting person and this vibration impacts the nervous system and ultimately permeates the sub-consciousness and neurons. This brings about settlement of mental agitations and cools the thought processes. Prolonged usage brings about strange - maybe mystical - insights which cannot be explained, but may be unique to the person concerned. Different view points develop. Memory becomes sharper; retention and recollection capabilities and capacity get enhanced. Lastly, the Seers have conceived of almost every situation and possibility and structured specific mantras. There are mantras to ward off evil, ward off death, for getting better, for better studies, for getting children, for cure from scorpion bite, for marriage etc. So different strokes for different folks.
If you have ever attended a supreme court case it would give you a good idea.... Lets say there is a dispute between A & B and A files a case against B. It goes to the lowest court where arguments are heard, evidence seen etc. and a judgement is given. One party wants to appeal, he appeals to High court. Now at High court stage you cannot repeat everything of the lower court. You have to be specific and stress on why the judgement is wrong. Assume the high court also does not give a correct judgement. Then you approach the supreme court. Now here you have to be 1000 time extra careful. Supreme court will not listen to arguments, check everything of lower court and high court word by word. You have to condense the matter and make it brief, simple, short and sweet and TO THE POINT. The judge does not have time indefinitely. He has a million cases pending. He will be very focussed. Hear only the specific prayer and wrong point of the earlier judgement. So while talking your supreme court lawyer will be very short, hit the point direct. In the same way the Supreme Lord is beseeched by millions of prayers/petition/appeals. You have to draw his attention. Generally any form of sacrifice attracts His attention. And for proper chanting of Mantras the rule is no sale/empty stomach. Which means you have to forgo what is basic, something that is the source of desire and all problems i.e. food. You trying chanting just 5/6 words after a full stomach and after having tasted salt. Just try. You will fail. This is also good for the health also, incidentally because continuous chanting also has the additional benefit of stoking the fire of appetite inside our naval. You cannot deny there is heat/fire inside us. The heat/fire is responsible for digestion of the food, destroying impurities. In simple form its hydrochloric acid, but its hot. So after a good chanting you typically find the person hungry and ready for a good meal. The digestion therefore becomes very healthy and wholesome.
Incidentally, this is what Anna Hazare did and got results....
This is not to say divinity does not comprehend any other human tongue. So a simple prayer in English - during the time we are having a mouthful of food at night - to Mahavishnu "Oh Lord please help" will also do and can be understood. The other easier way is typically singing bhajans which is equally acceptable. But all these are not PROMPTLY bring about ALL other subsidiary benefits detailed above.
therefore, if its feasible, if one has the time and the interest and inclination and the genetic disposition to talk to the divine,then
You now judge which is better ?
OM
lets say you have a 6 month old grandchild...how do you talk to the child? you blabber sounds, make funny faces, and make all types of clicking,clucking and other noises from your mouth using your tongue, lips etc. ......the ultimate aim being to make the innocent creature smile and be blissful and accept you as someone trustworthy. If you start talking as you talking to an adult then the child will frown at your blankly and maybe start crying.
the point is : you do not question the language /inner meanings of communication in spiritual matters.......you have to have the end purpose in mind. Mantras also have been intuited (not taught) by the Seers and are generally in Sanskrit (which incidentally is called devabhasha i.e. bhasha understood by the devas). So as a twice born, if its feasible, you do in the language they comprehend. The other important purpose is being formulated in Sanskrit there is a sane logic. No other language is structured to consider every part of the mouth,tongue, lips and vocal chords and inner physiology, inner Physiognomy. It benefits both the listener and the reciting person. This writer knows of cases of certain categories of spastics and stammering people that have been rectified by chanting of certain mantras with specific intonations and swaras. The most significant advantage is that the words are strung in a particular manner such that there is a vibration created inside the reciting person and this vibration impacts the nervous system and ultimately permeates the sub-consciousness and neurons. This brings about settlement of mental agitations and cools the thought processes. Prolonged usage brings about strange - maybe mystical - insights which cannot be explained, but may be unique to the person concerned. Different view points develop. Memory becomes sharper; retention and recollection capabilities and capacity get enhanced. Lastly, the Seers have conceived of almost every situation and possibility and structured specific mantras. There are mantras to ward off evil, ward off death, for getting better, for better studies, for getting children, for cure from scorpion bite, for marriage etc. So different strokes for different folks.
If you have ever attended a supreme court case it would give you a good idea.... Lets say there is a dispute between A & B and A files a case against B. It goes to the lowest court where arguments are heard, evidence seen etc. and a judgement is given. One party wants to appeal, he appeals to High court. Now at High court stage you cannot repeat everything of the lower court. You have to be specific and stress on why the judgement is wrong. Assume the high court also does not give a correct judgement. Then you approach the supreme court. Now here you have to be 1000 time extra careful. Supreme court will not listen to arguments, check everything of lower court and high court word by word. You have to condense the matter and make it brief, simple, short and sweet and TO THE POINT. The judge does not have time indefinitely. He has a million cases pending. He will be very focussed. Hear only the specific prayer and wrong point of the earlier judgement. So while talking your supreme court lawyer will be very short, hit the point direct. In the same way the Supreme Lord is beseeched by millions of prayers/petition/appeals. You have to draw his attention. Generally any form of sacrifice attracts His attention. And for proper chanting of Mantras the rule is no sale/empty stomach. Which means you have to forgo what is basic, something that is the source of desire and all problems i.e. food. You trying chanting just 5/6 words after a full stomach and after having tasted salt. Just try. You will fail. This is also good for the health also, incidentally because continuous chanting also has the additional benefit of stoking the fire of appetite inside our naval. You cannot deny there is heat/fire inside us. The heat/fire is responsible for digestion of the food, destroying impurities. In simple form its hydrochloric acid, but its hot. So after a good chanting you typically find the person hungry and ready for a good meal. The digestion therefore becomes very healthy and wholesome.
Incidentally, this is what Anna Hazare did and got results....
This is not to say divinity does not comprehend any other human tongue. So a simple prayer in English - during the time we are having a mouthful of food at night - to Mahavishnu "Oh Lord please help" will also do and can be understood. The other easier way is typically singing bhajans which is equally acceptable. But all these are not PROMPTLY bring about ALL other subsidiary benefits detailed above.
therefore, if its feasible, if one has the time and the interest and inclination and the genetic disposition to talk to the divine,then
You now judge which is better ?
OM
Dear Sir,
Namaskarams.
A small correction - I am not a scholar.
But, it is surely possible, many in this group could be real scholars.
Learning of certain stotras and regular chanting of the same with bhakti is surely important.
However, there are rules for chanting some stotras or manthras, but not for all.
For example, I was shocked once to hear loud record-playing of Sri Venkatesa Suprabatham at 6.30 PM when I was walking past a house.
Suprabatham, like Adithya Hrudayam, should be chanted / played (nowadays, playing in recorder has come tostay) in the mornings only.
However, a little later I realised that they would have liked the melody and Godliness in Suprabatham and without knowing the timing significance they have played the same.
But Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam, one can chant always - there is no bar, as far as I know.
So, as you have rightly said, ignorance is a reason for this.
And secondly, Bhakthi accomplished with chanting will suremy make one to automatically understand the rules for chanting.
However, meaning part of it needs referring to books available in the market.
For most of the popular Slokas / Stotras and Vedic Manthras, which are chanted by Laukeegas (Spelling right?), there are books giving breif meanings.
One can brouse the web also inputting the name of the sloka in the search engine.
Ex.: Sri Vishnu sahasranamam, Aditya Hrudayam, Rudram etc.
Apart from all these words, let us understand one thing.
Not knowing of the meaning of what we chant should not be a reason to discontinue or not chanting the religeous verses.
Because, they are all the creation of GOD, Nature and Maharishis.
In fact, Maharishis brought these verses for us from their vision or "Dhrishti", which we, in the worldly life, can never even imagine.
They are chanted for the sake of weel being of near and dear ones and the world as a whole (Loka kshemaartham).
Whether, the chanter knows the meaning or not, the effect will be there.
And we chant with some purpose, which is met, not withstanding whether you chant knowing the meaning or not.
Even if you know the meaning, those hearing cannot understand the meaning. Still they will also be benefitted.
Hence Let us accept them as what they are, least bothering to know the meaning.
Knowing the meaning is only an additional benefit for the chanting individual.
I have dwelt some length -as my mind dictated I typed, and if there is slip in the sequence, bear with me.
Regards
T K Ramachandran
BHEL / Trichy
Naren wrote:
Namaskarams.
A small correction - I am not a scholar.
But, it is surely possible, many in this group could be real scholars.
Learning of certain stotras and regular chanting of the same with bhakti is surely important.
However, there are rules for chanting some stotras or manthras, but not for all.
For example, I was shocked once to hear loud record-playing of Sri Venkatesa Suprabatham at 6.30 PM when I was walking past a house.
Suprabatham, like Adithya Hrudayam, should be chanted / played (nowadays, playing in recorder has come tostay) in the mornings only.
However, a little later I realised that they would have liked the melody and Godliness in Suprabatham and without knowing the timing significance they have played the same.
But Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam, one can chant always - there is no bar, as far as I know.
So, as you have rightly said, ignorance is a reason for this.
And secondly, Bhakthi accomplished with chanting will suremy make one to automatically understand the rules for chanting.
However, meaning part of it needs referring to books available in the market.
For most of the popular Slokas / Stotras and Vedic Manthras, which are chanted by Laukeegas (Spelling right?), there are books giving breif meanings.
One can brouse the web also inputting the name of the sloka in the search engine.
Ex.: Sri Vishnu sahasranamam, Aditya Hrudayam, Rudram etc.
Apart from all these words, let us understand one thing.
Not knowing of the meaning of what we chant should not be a reason to discontinue or not chanting the religeous verses.
Because, they are all the creation of GOD, Nature and Maharishis.
In fact, Maharishis brought these verses for us from their vision or "Dhrishti", which we, in the worldly life, can never even imagine.
They are chanted for the sake of weel being of near and dear ones and the world as a whole (Loka kshemaartham).
Whether, the chanter knows the meaning or not, the effect will be there.
And we chant with some purpose, which is met, not withstanding whether you chant knowing the meaning or not.
Even if you know the meaning, those hearing cannot understand the meaning. Still they will also be benefitted.
Hence Let us accept them as what they are, least bothering to know the meaning.
Knowing the meaning is only an additional benefit for the chanting individual.
I have dwelt some length -as my mind dictated I typed, and if there is slip in the sequence, bear with me.
Regards
T K Ramachandran
BHEL / Trichy
Naren wrote:
Dear Sir,Good Morning, Please forgive me if am wrong.As am not a spiritual scholar as you all are.Sir Learning Stotras, Chanting & experiencing the difference isthe right way of enjoying spirituality through Bhakthi..
But now a days most of the people pray god not with bhakthi.But due to fear for the sin they have made, fear of their future so on..... ( Ok this topic takes different direction . let me continue with subject)There are people who chant mantras day and night but without knowing what they chant for what they are chanting. When it has to be chant so on.
It's happening so because they dont know the importance & significance of those stotraas.
For eg....Many of us go through Maga Puranaa after maga snaana.In month of Maga maasa.
Similarly Karthikaa purana in month of karthika masa.If we go through Karthika purana in Maga masa their is nothing worng in it.But Maga snaana & Maga purana has got its own significance in that particular month.
So I conclude that Knowing significance & importance is always very much important & useful as it drives people through right channel towards right direction.
Om Sai RaamNarendra
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Ramachandran.T.K <tkr@bheltry.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sri Sivarama,
Your query is intriguing!
It is not that some one should tell you the significance of chanting.
You should experience it to know better.
Learn the stotras, chant regularly and feel the difference!!
Regards
T K Ramachandran
BHEL / trichy
siva rama wrote:
what is the significance of mantras and stotras . Learning ,memorizing and reciting????
for example : govindashtakam,gajendra stotram etc ..........
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Interesting chain of mails... I wish to submit my thoughts on this... citing a small story about Vishnu Sahasranamam....
I don't remember the names or characters of the story but just the gist is important and let me try to summarize it...
A person (in Kerala) was regularly reciting Vishnu sahasranama at a temple... once a scholar passed by him and was listening to him ..one of the verses was... 'Appréyo Rishi Keshah Padmnabho Mara Prabhuhu'
the scholar interrupted the recitation and told the person ... sir it is not Mara prabhu ... it is like Amaraprabhu.... 'amrarkalukellam thalaivan' .... and do not recite it wrongly.....
The person thanked the scholar and then completed that days duties and went home... then started to think ... let me not recite sahasranamam henceforth.. since it is better not to recite than reciting it erroneously.... and he abstained from reciting for a week or so...
Lord Vishnu then appeared in the dreams of the scholar and told him... why did you correct him like that.... if you think I'm only prabhu for Amarars.... then whom do you think is the prabhu for 'maram. ... trees' ..?? see earlier right or wrong he was singing for me with luv but now he has stopped it because of you......... the scholar woke up realizing his fault and next day morning went in search of that person and apologized for his mistake and asked him to continue reciting the sloka...
so what i inferred here is..... right or wrong first we get into the practice of doing good things and later get into realization / correction .... saying this i do agree that beyond my view and your view there is a third view.. which we respect it and recognize it........... :)
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